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Post by Dutch on Jan 13, 2021 13:56:40 GMT -5
Sometime between the 50s and 60s, Frederick Kyriss killed a monster buck in Montgomery County, PA. His widow sold the mount. The buyer had it scored and submitted it to Boone and Crocket. It scored 202 7/8.
Anyway, widow did not have a PGC permit to sell the rack, so, the PGC is refusing to certify the legality of the deer.
I guess if it's not a legal deer, by having the PGC permit, Boone and Crocket won't accept it either.
Sorta sad that the deer will not be recognized.
The bucks score would place it 8th in Boone and Crocket all time.
Should it stand if it's a legally harvested deer?
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Post by fleroo on Jan 13, 2021 14:12:51 GMT -5
Wellll… At this point, 60-70 years has gone by ? So, who can corroborate that it was indeed legal ? Who can even corroborate that the mount came from PA, etc... ?
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Post by Dutch on Jan 13, 2021 14:27:06 GMT -5
Wellll… At this point, 60-70 years has gone by ? So, who can corroborate that it was indeed legal ? Who can even corroborate that the mount came from PA, etc... ? The PGC says it was legally harvested, the only issue is that it didn't have the permit |
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Post by fleroo on Jan 13, 2021 14:43:29 GMT -5
This thread is useless without PICS !  |
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Post by fleroo on Jan 13, 2021 14:44:44 GMT -5
And before it happens, limbernoodle, I mean pics of THE BUCK.  |
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Post by Dutch on Jan 13, 2021 15:10:34 GMT -5
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Post by fleroo on Jan 13, 2021 15:12:51 GMT -5
WOW ! I asked, you answered the bell.
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Post by Dutch on Jan 13, 2021 15:20:17 GMT -5
WOW ! I asked, you answered the bell. Top pic is the guy that shot it |
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Jan 13, 2021 15:57:35 GMT -5
Sometime between the 50s and 60s, Frederick Kyriss killed a monster buck in Montgomery County, PA. His widow sold the mount. The buyer had it scored and submitted it to Boone and Crocket. It scored 202 7/8. Anyway, widow did not have a PGC permit to sell the rack, so, the PGC is refusing to certify the legality of the deer. I guess if it's not a legal deer, by having the PGC permit, Boone and Crocket won't accept it either. Sorta sad that the deer will not be recognized. The bucks score would place it 8th in Boone and Crocket all time. Should it stand if it's a legally harvested deer? I was under the impression that you could sell a mount if the person who harvested it was deceased. |
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Jan 13, 2021 16:00:58 GMT -5
§ 147.146. Sale of inedible wildlife parts.
(a) Wildlife lawfully taken within this Commonwealth that has been mounted, tanned or completely prepared for study or display in accordance with generally accepted taxidermy procedures may be sold if one of the following conditions is met:
(1) The original owner is deceased.
(2) The original owner’s assets are being liquidated.
(3) The original owner’s specimen is determined to be unclaimed as provided for in subsection (b).
(b) A specimen will be considered unclaimed when the following conditions are met:
(1) The specimen was lawfully possessed when originally deposited with the taxidermist.
(2) The specimen was mounted, tanned or completely prepared for study or display in accordance with generally accepted taxidermy procedures.
(3) The taxidermist has made a reasonable effort to contact the original owner or depositor through any means generally available to inform the owner or depositor that the specimen is complete and should be picked up within a certain time period.
(4) The owner, or the original depositor of the specimen, has been notified by certified, first-class mail and has failed to contact the taxidermist within 30 days of receipt of the notice; or the taxidermist is notified by the postal authorities the certified mail is unclaimed or undeliverable. The specimen will be considered unclaimed after 30 days from the date the taxidermist was notified.
(c) Before selling a specimen, a permit shall be obtained from a Commission officer.
(d) An executed copy of the permit application (PGC-12) shall list the items to be sold. The permit is valid for 120 days.
(e) The fee for a permit issued under this section is $5.
(f) The original owner of a specimen may donate the specimen to a wildlife conservation organization, which may then sell the specimen without a permit for fund raising purposes.
(g) Second and subsequent owners of wildlife parts acquired in accordance with section 2312(c)(1) of the act (relating to buying and selling of game) may sell the parts if included as part of a manufactured or finished product.
(h) Second and subsequent owners of deer hides acquired in accordance with section 2312(c)(1) of the act may buy and sell the deer hides. Deer capes may only be sold by the original owner.
(i) A person violating this section shall be subject to the penalties provided in section 2312 of the act.
Authority
The provisions of this § 147.146 issued under the Game and Wildlife Code, 34 Pa.C.S. § § 2102(a) and 2312(c)(2); amended under the Game and Wildlife Code, 34 Pa.C.S. § § 2102(a), 2312(c)(2) and 2901(b).
Source
The provisions of this § 147.146 adopted November 2, 2001, effective November 3, 2001, 31 Pa.B. 6052; amended March 23, 2007, effective March 24, 2007, 37 Pa.B. 1312. Immediately preceding text appears at serial pages (285093) to (285094).
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Post by timberdoodle on Jan 13, 2021 16:02:18 GMT -5
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Post by timberdoodle on Jan 13, 2021 16:19:48 GMT -5
(c) Before selling a specimen, a permit shall be obtained from a Commission officer.
(d) An executed copy of the permit application (PGC-12) shall list the items to be sold. The permit is valid for 120 days.
(e) The fee for a permit issued under this section is $5.
(f) The original owner of a specimen may donate the specimen to a wildlife conservation organization, which may then sell the specimen without a permit for fund raising purposes.
(g) Second and subsequent owners of wildlife parts acquired in accordance with section 2312(c)(1) of the act (relating to buying and selling of game) may sell the parts if included as part of a manufactured or finished product.
(h) Second and subsequent owners of deer hides acquired in accordance with section 2312(c)(1) of the act may buy and sell the deer hides. Deer capes may only be sold by the original owner.
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Post by timberdoodle on Jan 13, 2021 16:24:14 GMT -5
Kinda of a b/s thing but the PGC has to follow it's own Regs....
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Post by Dutch on Jan 13, 2021 16:51:09 GMT -5
The widow sold it. I guess upon his death, she became the legal owner
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Post by davet on Jan 13, 2021 17:33:41 GMT -5
The widow sold it. I guess upon his death, she became the legal owner Interesting. The spouse could have "disclaimed" the ownership of the horns and then the Estate would have owned them. Then the Estate could have sold 'em and, according to the above exception, the PGC could have been avoided. The spouse would still have received the proceeds from the Estate....depending upon the structure of the will. Just sayin........ |
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Post by Dutch on Jan 13, 2021 17:55:30 GMT -5
I think, in this case, the PGC is just being stupid.... because they can.
Typical worthless state agency
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Post by acorn20 on Jan 13, 2021 17:56:17 GMT -5
The widow sold it. I guess upon his death, she became the legal owner |
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Post by stroupy on Jan 13, 2021 19:00:06 GMT -5
Should be scored and put in. The deers antlers didn't listen to regulations.
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Post by Dutch on Jan 13, 2021 19:04:16 GMT -5
Should be scored and put in. The deers antlers didn't listen to regulations. Agreed. Honor the deer. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 13, 2021 19:37:27 GMT -5
The regulations also state that only ONE of the regulations need to be met...and they certainly meet the first one. I'll bet if an attorney challenged the PGC, Pennsylvania would have a new, record, typical buck. Thats my take as well. It looks like ONE of the conditions was met. The point about a permit being needed was in regards to another of the conditions. |
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Post by Dutch on Jan 13, 2021 20:08:00 GMT -5
WOW ! I asked, you answered the bell. YOU are THAT important! LMBO |
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Post by davet on Jan 14, 2021 7:19:57 GMT -5
BTW.....Boone & Crocket is just a "Club". IF they don't recognize it because of their stupid rules, (not smart rules...yes, there is a difference) then shame on B&C!!!
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Post by buzz on Jan 14, 2021 7:50:16 GMT -5
Sometime between the 50s and 60s, Frederick Kyriss killed a monster buck in Montgomery County, PA. His widow sold the mount. The buyer had it scored and submitted it to Boone and Crocket. It scored 202 7/8. Anyway, widow did not have a PGC permit to sell the rack, so, the PGC is refusing to certify the legality of the deer. I guess if it's not a legal deer, by having the PGC permit, Boone and Crocket won't accept it either. Sorta sad that the deer will not be recognized. The bucks score would place it 8th in Boone and Crocket all time. Should it stand if it's a legally harvested deer?Yes, if legally harvested. |
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Post by timberdoodle on Jan 14, 2021 8:37:14 GMT -5
It sounds to me like the failure to recognize is Boone& Crockett decision since the antler were not transferred to new owner according to the PGC's regulations. And so to protect the integrity of B&C they will not recognize the trophy.
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Post by Dutch on Jan 14, 2021 10:20:28 GMT -5
It sounds to me like the failure to recognize is Boone& Crockett decision since the antler were not transferred to new owner according to the PGC's regulations. And so to protect the integrity of B&C they will not recognize the trophy. PGC was first not to recognize, then told Boone n Crockett |
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